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InstructorPyro

Posted: Aug 26th 2010, 10:37 AM

A friend of mine was in a motorcycle accident on Friday. He was run off the road by someone who didn't stick around. His knee was crushed and he needed surgery. Sad yes, but not the point of this post.

While he was in there he was asked these questions:

Do you do drugs?

Have you ever beat your wife?

Have you ever beat your children?

Have you ever beat your grandchildren?

Do you have guns in your home?

These were not questions asked by the police, they were asked by the hospital staff and THEY MARKED DOWN HIS ANSWERS IN HIS CHART!

So... WTF? I can understand the drug question but the family abuse? The firearms? What the hell is going on?

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Trilarian

Posted: Aug 26th 2010, 12:24 PM

I believe the simple answer is the 5th Amendment doesn't require me to answer those questions, fix my knee or I'll sue you.

Hope your friend recovers (and has insurance). I've been lucky and got away with just random road rash, bruises, and torn ligaments in my left wrist (can still pop my wrist out when grabbing something heavy at a weird angle - hurts like a bitch, pop it back in, all is good). I've had instances of people pulling out in front and stopping (where there is not traffic, light, or sign), or trying to run me off the side while looking right at me through the window. All I can say is I hear lugnuts tossed at 60mph+ can do some amazing things to windshields.

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Room 055

Posted: Aug 26th 2010, 03:06 PM

I echo Trilarian's first sentence. WTF???

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Tbird

Posted: Aug 26th 2010, 04:17 PM

I think I would have taken the 5th as well.
I have been run off the road so many times and have had to lay it down for people pulling out in front of me too.
It has not happened so much in the last 15yrs, but now drive with my high beam on in daylight and expect every car to pull in front of me. I drive so much more defensively that I am aware it may happen anytime. It will not help if someone does it at the last second however.

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LoneRanger

Posted: Aug 26th 2010, 06:32 PM

Your friend met DR.House?
He was hit twice. Once on the road and once before recovery.
That's almost amusing. I think my answer would be affirmative to all
the above, then after they penned it in, I would say I lied with a huge
smile. Then, I would conclude that the person asking the questions
looked very similar to the one that sideswiped me and fled. Before
the jerk had a chance to respond, I would ask if my attorney had
arrived yet. I do hope your bud is O. K. I P, not sure I would ride in CA
with all the undocumented with vehicles.

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LoneRanger

Posted: Aug 26th 2010, 06:40 PM

Do you do drugs? Why, you have any?
Have you ever beat your wife? No, but she's gonna thump me for wrecking
her bike
Have you ever beat your children? I cracked some kid's head but, even tho
he looked familiar, I'm not sure he was mine
Have you ever beat your grandchildren? They're too damn fast for me.
Do you have guns in your home? DO YOU!??????

Did I pass the test doc? Can I take it over? You gonna fix my knee ASSHOLE?

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7jinxed7

Posted: Aug 26th 2010, 11:17 PM

Those are kinda strange questions and completely unrelated to as why he was there in the ER. I don't see what they were getting at. Maybe he was checkin to see if he's thinking straight,you know to make sure there was no brain injury. Maybe it's routine questions after all it is Communist state,nothing makes sense there. I hope your friend's ok.

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InstructorPyro

Posted: Aug 27th 2010, 12:06 AM

From my understanding they are asking those same questions at the VA hospital as well. It seems to be the new standard question "do you have any guns in your home?"

I'm not scheduled to go to the VA for quite some time but if there is anyone else who has been to VA I'd be interested in some more info about this. I've gotta assume it has something to do with the current administration.

It just upset me completely to even think that people would ask those questions. I don't know about other states but in California if you are convicted of spousal abuse or have a domestic violence record at all (to include restraining orders filed) you lose your gun rights, period. Okay, some one is being arrested for beating the crap out of his wife and the cops ask, do you have any guns inside? That would be kind of appropriate almost.

But if I go to the doctor's office for any reason why should they ask about my guns? Pretty soon you'll go to the DMV and they will say: Can you read the bottom line? How many guns in your home? Is the government getting that desperate to catalog our firearms.

Now, I didn't start this thread to gain sympathy for my friend and his knee injury, but rather to put it out there that this "cataloging" is going on. If it's in your medical record, the government is going to know about it, especially with the possibility of the oncoming socialized medicine.

You want to know the real jacked up part of the questions they asked him? They asked him while he was sedated with morphine. He was barely able to answer the gun question but he did with a resounding, "No! I don't have any guns!"

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Tac56

Posted: Aug 27th 2010, 11:19 AM

These questions should bother anyone who isn't a socialist.... My response would have simply been, "Those questions have no medical relevance or bearing and are none of your business."

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Room 055

Posted: Aug 27th 2010, 11:46 AM

Do you do drugs? "I'm high on you right now baby."
Have you ever beat your wife? "Does S&M count? Because I am freaky that way baby."
Have you ever beat your children? "I double bag it baby."
Have you ever beat your grandchildren? "I triple bag it baby."
Do you have guns in the house? "Nurse...this is my gun. [points to bulging package]"

I'd make them as uncomfortable as humanly possible if they asked me those questions.

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Bishopn87

Posted: Aug 27th 2010, 01:11 PM

Room: sounds like almost as much fun as trying to get telemarketers to engage in phone sex. Saw an article on that in the Virginian-Pilot one time, thought it sounded like fun. It actually was ... just as disturbing as you might think.

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7jinxed7

Posted: Aug 27th 2010, 06:53 PM

Sounds like another good way to get a gun count. Not that they don't have one already. Maybe a good way to tie the health problems from lead to the new health care bill. Good way to start a ban,with the lead of course. The Constitution doesn't say anything about having the right to bear lead,think about it. It might be worth keeping an eye on. Makes people crazy,crazy enough to beat their wife,children and grand children.LOL

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Room 055

Posted: Aug 27th 2010, 10:18 PM

Sounds like someone is trying to correlate firearm ownership to family beating and drug abuse.

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suncat05

Posted: Aug 28th 2010, 11:00 AM

Sounds to me like the gub'mint is getting healthcare professionals to do their dirty work for them.

Not one of those questions has anything to do with the reason you may be in the ER. But then again, if you go to the ER with a gunshot wound to your azz because you got caught messing with the neighbor's wife while you were over there whooping his kids because they were doing something to your property, and you were drunk and/or high while doing so, then I could see asking those questions, as then it may be germane to why you were in the ER.

Otherwise, no, those questions should not even be coming up in a conversation with any healthcare professional. And, if they were to suspect some sort of illegal/illicit activities that could possibly be the cause of you being in the ER, then they are required by law to call the law. Then you'd get to talk to a real, live po-lice who instead would ask those questions. But a nurse/doctor or any other non-police person asking those questions is totally out of line.

JMHO.

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John Doe

Posted: Aug 28th 2010, 06:11 PM

IP had it right in his second post. It is about disqualification and lying on your CCW application. Drugs and domestics disqualify. Lying about it on your application is a felony. They intend to use your medical records against you if they can. The Zombies are getting bolder.

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Tbird

Posted: Aug 28th 2010, 09:31 PM

Do they have a CCW in Commieville?
It might have been bad luck to start this thread. My brother called me a about 6pm tonight and his step-son was hit by a car while ridding his crotch rocket. Don't know all the damage yet, but his arm in broken in two places and he is getting shoulder xrays. He has road rash and his bike is completely trashed. Of course it was the auto drivers fault.

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gundoc_iowa

Posted: Aug 30th 2010, 02:15 AM

This is just disgusting. The VA hospitals are doing this as well. I think I would just give them my SS# and tell them to run a criminal background check to see about the drugs and beating issues. And my owning guns or not is none of their damn business. It has nothing to do with my injuries and I don't fell the need to answer it. Or go the room 055 route...that'd be funnier anyways.

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InstructorPyro

Posted: Aug 30th 2010, 09:49 AM

Yeah, California has CCW. The weirdest thing about that is that CCWs are kept at County level. The only way to validate a CCW is to call the county where is it was issued.

Sorry about your step-nephew but I ride a crotch rocket everyday too, it is just a risk we take when we ride. I'm headed to the DMV this morning to pay the registration on her. I wonder if they'll ask the same questions too.

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Tbird

Posted: Aug 30th 2010, 11:52 AM

I have 2 bikes myself as well.
We keep our CCWs at the county level here as well. It is a state license, but issued by the county sheriffs dept.

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