You see this kind of stuff all the time on various TV shows regarding the interaction between the public and law enforcement. It's a pity. I hope the officer lived and they caught and fried the SOB who shot him.

I am by no means a 'professional law enforcement officer', but I did serve almost 2 years with the MP's after 9/11. Even I saw the mistakes made by the officer in the first 45 seconds of the video. What amazes me is that the officer told him to put the gun down or away while he was digging it out from behind the seat and apparently loading it. Wow. That's possession of a firearm by the perp, that's double tap city.

I'll not armchair QB it anymore, but as I stated, a lot of mistakes were made and they are blatantly obvious.

Does anyone know if the deputy survived?

He's dead because he didn't have the courage to pull the trigger when he needed to.

I'd be very interested to know about the scope and extent of his training. From his first day on the job, through the Academy, and through his FTO period, if he had one.

Bottom line, when confronted with a suspect that clearly shows they intend to use deadly force against you, the only proper response is attack, attack, attack until the threat ceases. Period.

I am all for talking and giving commands........... when it is clear that it is going to work. However, I saw right away that this suspect had no intention of obeying any lawful commands, and as soon as he went back into the vehicle and started reaching for something inside, which is very clear in this video, then,1)the bad guy immediately starts feeling hot lead impact his body, and 2)I'm on the radio calling for more help.

I have to question this guy's training. Of course, for any of us that have been through the Police Academy, we all remember how the instructors drone on and on about how no matter what you do, you're going to be civilly libeland if there's any way possible to avoid it then take that route, which, IMHO, is total and utter bullshit, because when the situation reaches the point that this one got to then it's clear to me that the lawsuit will only have one live participant and I fully intend for it to be me. They preach civil liability in the Academy to the point that some of these kids overthink a deadly situation too much and then this crap happens. Bottom line, this young officer either didn't have what it takes to do the job, or he got caught up in the overthinking mode because of all the civil liability bullshit the academies teach these days and it ended up costing him his life.

Once again, if it were to be determined that it was faulty training, you can thank any of these litigious attorneys who don't give a crap about right or wrong or an officer's life, but only about their ability to make a quick buck at somebody else's expense.

I do not give one iota of one thought about anything but living my life. I am going home to my family at the end of my shift on every single day that I work and wear this uniform. To consider anything else is wrong and neglectful of my family, and myself!

I understand that Doc, and I see your point of view as well. However, having been on the wrong end of similiar situations myself, I know what I'm going to do. It was very apparent to me from watching the video that he was not willing to defend himself until it was already too late.

Either his training was inept and he was confused about what to do, or he didn't have what it takes to do the job.

If he had been ambushed, that would be one thing. But this was a straight-out frontal assault by an armed suspect whose intention was very clear to me. Hence, my question as to training or desire to fight and win.

Suncat I agree with you all the way. You'd be the the person i'd understand in a crowdof people. But....

Pulling the trigger is a huge decision soldier and officer alike. Best understanding I've had of it from an academic approach is killing is not natural in any way shape or form. Such as from the excellent study 'On Killing' take two rattle snakes that are fighting they won'tbite eachother just wrestle. When one shows to bestronger the other leaves. Simple right...now look at two guys in a fight how many doyou know set out to kill the other? (dontget me wrong i know some mean guys that dofight to kill now matter what and you dotooprobably)Being said its not natural totake another human life in any way. Fewcross this line in desperate situations, but having time to think about it can make onepause and not act.(sniper being a rare breed) Training iskey since it becomes a reaction,but what training have you received in an ever increasing intense moment? Most trainingtime is split secondimpulsedecisions. And its not REAL bottom line. I trained foryears and luckily reacted each time correctly. Not sure i'm clear sincethis is a beyond complex topic and for most can't be understood.

What about the psychological stand point? And also case law on engaging a suspect must be brought to question. You get it pounded into your head on what to do legally and morally in training. So what to do is a big question in the end.

Agreed, 'grunt. Pulling the trigger is the very last thing I ever want to have to do again in my lifetime, but if placed in the situation and there is no other alternative, I know exactly what I will do.

At that point it is all clarity of purpose, and the will to survive.

Well stated Rem700. It's always good to have an officer of the law's perspective on these types of shootings.

I worked enforcement at an odd place,a D.O.E. site.Personal freedoms,4th amendment,and any hostage situations took second seat to the prevention of theft,sabotage or diversion of SNM and it's nuclear components.Anything mildly construed as an act of terrorism or sabotage was dealt with harshly.Carrying a component out of a particular security area constituted use of deadly force.okay, i carry on ad nauseam about this because my job was black and white,outside LE has it a good deal tougher.Granted, alot of them make it tougher by being complete a-holes butstill it's gotta be tough.We trained with and against groups like special forces CAT.GSG9,Yamam ,and a few others.Our training before Clinton was equaled by no one.As a side note, I've never seen a group drink american beer like German SF.

I said what I said, and I stand by it. If he was afraid to pull the trigger, then he didn't need to be in this job.

I've been involved in 2 shootings in my career. Both were found to be justifiable shootings. I have a very good idea of what I'm talking about here. I know what I saw in the video, and it's clear to me there was a deadly threat to the officer and he did not respond like he should have. Period. And now he's dead. Yes, I feel for his family, but he'd still be alive if he would have shot that asshole instead of trying to talk him to death.

Let me know where you live. Next time I drive through Georgia I'll be sure to look you up tough guy. Or you can come to Florida, it doesn't matter. But do not call bullshit when you aren't right.

Suncat.... Brother, do you know what makes this country great? Besides God, Guns, Guts and Girls? Opinions.... Just like assholes, everyone has one.... some just smell more like shit than others..... Don't let someone else's shitty smelling asshole get you bent out of shape...

-Tac

I read you loud and clear, Tac. And as I said, I've had to travel that road before. I know what my response would be in the same situation, and I am like you, I call them like I see them.

I am truly sorry that that officer is dead. It is a travesty when any brother or sister officer dies needlessly, but after watching the film several times I still come to the same conclusion that I did initially. I stand by my original assessment.

Some could say that his life was not forefit in vien, simply do to the huge impact that it has had on training and preparing those who came after him in surviving the next incident. I too have made that decision and been down the road. My decision would have been very much the same as yours, even knowing all the bullshit that it causes after the fact.

My point is this: this young officers life ended in a violent manner when it should not have, but the fact that it was captured on video to be used so directly to train others so that a similar incident will not happen again is a dramatic impact that will be his legacy. Few people who see his video will ever forget it. Especially those who do this job.

-Tac

Flattop... this didn't need to degrade into a name calling contest... but since you threw the first insult, I'll counter with....

YOU ARE A MORON..... But that's just a personal opinion.